Schematic Review - 07/02/2022
MarsRoverHardware/Projects/24V Multiphase Buck/Rev 2 at master ยท uwrobotics/MarsRoverHardware
Datasheet Calculations
Formulas used: Datasheet Calculations.docx
Calculations used: https://uofwaterloo-my.sharepoint.com/:x:/g/personal/laphartf_uwaterloo_ca/EXZmLZJsgfhKl3uAZ2ZXCosBsq3ntQcYzEnib-hCZegW1w?e=pE0gwM
Reviewer Name | Manufacturer Part Number | Symbol Name | Footprint Name | Comments |
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Ari | IPB073N15N5ATMA1 | NMOS_150V_114A | ย NMOS_DPAK263-3-2 | ย |
24V Multiphase Buck.SchDoc (Rishith)
Not quite sure why there is a x4 in the Pmax on the single FET Calculation
Not quite sure why there is a x2 in the Cin Calculation
Not quite sure why the Phs Conducting calculation has the Imax divided by 2
Unless Iโm missing something, the Phs switching doesnโt seem to include fsw anywhere, Iโm not sure what is going on in this calculation.
In the typical applications, SS1 has a resistor + capacitor, meanwhile yours only has a capacitor
What is the purpose of the 0 Ohm resistors, is there a reason you donโt just use a regular wire?
Shouldnโt there be a capacitor between your Cs1- and Cs1+ rails?
Shouldnโt there be a capacitor between your Cs2- and Cs2+ rails?
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is there a reason that the decoupling capacitors are connected to the current sensing port, or can this be separated on the page
24V Multiphase Buck.SchDoc (Josh)
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24V Multiphase Buck.SchDoc (Ari)
Please focus on the Peak Current Limit Programming and Current Sensing sections of the datasheet calculations
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For current sensing calculations, I got 0.0026 Ohms, but iโm not sure if that's correct.
should we be calculating the MIN or the MAX for this equation? Because RSENSE takes the m
ax. Also what VCS value are you supposed to use. on the calculation sheet, there is a min and max
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Response: We are not too concerned with having an exact value for Rsense, we decided to use 0.005 Ohm as it it an easier resistor value to work with and wonโt affect the further calculations as drastically
COMP1 and COMP2 values for resistor and capacitors don't match calculations in the calculation sheet
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Response: These were updated on the new schematic.
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PIN2 RRT Value might be wrong. I calculated (295693+133)/8.8 = 33601 ohms
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Response: Yes your suppose to use 133000
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This only regulates the output. it will shut off if less than 24 volts. don't you want to regulate the input?
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24V Multiphase Buck.SchDoc (Farris)
Comments on component values and part selection:
For your inductor, I would reduce the peak-to-peak current ripple to 20% instead of 30%, due to how much current is going through the inductor. This will help reduce losses from the inductor. Iโd also select an inductance that is equal to or higher than the calculated inductance value, instead of below
IC Internal Power Dissipation: Note that for this equation, Qgate is the sum of the gate charge for BOTH high and low-side FETs of BOTH controllers, in other words every single FETโs gate charge is summed up in this equation. This means 8 total FETs for a double FET config, and 4 total FETs for a single FET config.
Currently, youโre counting only 4 total FETs for a double FET config and 2 total FETs for a single FET config, so your calculated values for power dissipation are half of the actual values
It also means that currently your internal power dissipation is way too high, even for the single FET config. Couple ways to solve this:
Reduce your switching frequency, maybe down to 200kHz. This reduces the power dissipation by almost 45%
Be careful of the other component values that this will change, mostly just a bunch of resistors and ceramic capacitors that will need adjusting
Find a FET with lower gate charge (even just slightly lower will help a lot as it gets compounded 4 or 8 times)
This might be good if going with the double FET config https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/micro-commercial-co/MCAC60N10Y-TP/15652824. Itโs not as high specs as the current FET, but has almost half the gate charge
Reduce the voltage at the VCCEXT pin (see comment under general comments)
We should aim to keep the internal power dissipation at 2W or lower
For your bootstrap capacitors, remember you need to sum the gate charge for 2 FETs, not just one, if going with the double-FET config
General comments:
Careful, the GND port on R2 isnโt connected properly; Altium currently sees it as floating
Seems the current limit was reduced from 17.5A to 15.5A, why is this?
I recommend adding a voltage divider to the 24V on the VCCEXT pin, as with the ripple on the 24V it will go over the 24V limit on the VCCEXT pin. I recommend dividing the voltage by half, as the minimum is only 4.7V
Lowering the VCCEXT voltage also greatly reduces the ICโs internal power dissipation
Net Naming (Farris)
Wiring and Connections (Farris)
Component Labels (Farris)
Design-for-Test (Farris)
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